Interesting

[indy_jones]

So no matter what side you are on it will be interesting to see how this turns out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w

Whichever side wins the case the other side can say 'told ya so'.

Ahhh politics. :)

[DNoz29]

Watched the introduction and figured that'd be 11 minutes of my life I'd never get back.

[rexvos]

Watched the introduction and figured that'd be 11 minutes of my life I'd never get back.

I agree with you, except it only took me long enough to read the title to make that decision.

[DNoz29]

I agree with you, except it only took me long enough to read the title to make that decision.
Yeah, I probably should have quit then, too.

[vetsgt02]

I like this one where he says Acorn will shape his policy's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpAlGdZToCk

[Blitzburgh]

Did McCain really say we need to get rid of bad teachers and military coming back to the country should be allowed to teach without being certified.....

he is out of his FUC*ING MIND.......

[Bounty13]

Did McCain really say we need to get rid of bad teachers and military coming back to the country should be allowed to teach without being certified.....

he is out of his FUC*ING MIND.......

Link please.

[vetsgt02]

Did McCain really say we need to get rid of bad teachers and military coming back to the country should be allowed to teach without being certified.....

he is out of his FUC*ING MIND.......

You have no idea what your talking about (big surprise). We do need to get rid of bad teachers and what he is talking about is a program that will help soldiers become teachers it is a really good program and would a great step for us.

[Blitzburgh]

You have no idea what your talking about (big surprise). We do need to get rid of bad teachers and what he is talking about is a program that will help soldiers become teachers it is a really good program and would a great step for us.

Bulls***. Thats not what he said, and if thats what he meant, it wasn't very clear. Fighting for your country doesn't make you qualified to be a teacher. He said men and women coming back from the military could find teaching jobs without having to take all the tests....

[redandpewter55]

What determines if a teacher is "bad"? Answer that one for me.

[Blitzburgh]

What determines if a teacher is "bad"? Answer that one for me.

exactly, thats another entire subject by itself....

[vetsgt02]

Ok let me try and answer your questions since I actually know a little bit about this subject (not a ton but a little)

How to determine a bad teacher:
1. test scores of students over a certain period (say 3 years) if the teachers class is below average 3 years in a row then it would show them to be a bad teacher. This does not mean they are a bad person just that maybe teaching is not there thing and they will be trained in a different job. This is fair for the teacher, students, and parents. Lets face it if a teacher is doing a bad job they know it but might not be able to switch jobs they will stay teaching and hate and in turn our kids will suffer. This is a win-win

2. Soldiers to teachers:

This is a great program that helps soldiers become teachers. This progam has very little down points that I have seen and will help have disapline in the schools.

Here is a web site about it:
http://www.proudtoserveagain.com/index.html

Now as for why did McCain not say that? I thought he did I knew what he was talking about right off the bat and was really happy he was brining it up. In a debate neither person has time to sit there and go over everything bit by bit they only have a few minutes. So they have to bring stuff up and then let the American people do some research on it.

I hope this helps. I am not trying to be a Ace Hole just trying to answer your questions :salut:

[vetsgt02]

Oh ya and when he says without schooling he is talking about the DANTES program which lets military people test out of subjects. I guess the best way to explain that is you would take a online test through lets say Ohio State ( there are alot of big schools like this involved in this program. OSU IS one of them) if you pass your American History 101 test with a 80% you pass the course and do not have to take it so you can move on to the next level and so one. I hope I explained that alright I am at work and trying to do 3 things at once. Sorry guys I am trying to help ;)

[redandpewter55]

How to determine a bad teacher:
1. test scores of students over a certain period (say 3 years) if the teachers class is below average 3 years in a row then it would show them to be a bad teacher. This does not mean they are a bad person just that maybe teaching is not there thing and they will be trained in a different job. This is fair for the teacher, students, and parents. Lets face it if a teacher is doing a bad job they know it but might not be able to switch jobs they will stay teaching and hate and in turn our kids will suffer. This is a win-win
That is the worst idea I've ever heard. I would say that 95% of the time the test scores are low because the STUDENTS are bad, not the teachers. You can't fire a teacher becuase the students don't care. If McCain really tries to do this, shit will hit the fan. It would never work.

Usually these tests that are used to determine how a school is doing covers multiple subjects (Science, English, Math, History, etc.). When a school gets bad scores fr a few year is McCain going to come in a fire all the teachers? How will he replace them, by bringing in "good" teachers from other schools where the kids want to learn. Is he then going to fire these "good" teacher in 3 years? We don't have enough teachers as it is, now he wants to start firing them? :doh:

High School is not hard at all. Actually, I feel that it is too easy. They need to make it harder to better prepare students for college, but that will never happen. Some students just don't care. How about this idea. Lets get rid of all the students that don't care and stop wasting tax payers money. :salut:

The blame needs to be placed on the students and not the teachers. Yes, there are some bad teachers out there, but to just start firing teachers based on a school's scores is idiotic.

[vetsgt02]

I disagree with you if my 1st grader son can not pass a simple math test then the teacher needs to work on the subject better. I think the blame is 50% student and 50% teacher in most cases.

[redandpewter55]

I disagree with you if my 1st grader son can not pass a simple math test then the teacher needs to work on the subject better. I think the blame is 50% student and 50% teacher in most cases.
If it is 50/50, why are we firing the teacher?

[vetsgt02]

If it is 50/50, why are we firing the teacher?


Because it is the teachers job to motivate their students if you try teaching a class of 30 kids something and then when you give them the test on it 20 of them fail the test it is your fault as a teacher. Also they are not getting fired they are being laid off and will recieve free training in a new feild that they will do better at. no one is saying this is all the teachers.

Some of it has to do with parents. In my house we make sure our 6 year old son knows how important his homework is. if he scores 100% on a test I take him out and get him a new toy or something to let him know that in life hard work will be rewarded.

Anyways, I love this plan and it has been working for years. McCain drew this up awhile ago and it has been a big success (the soldiers to teachers part). The laying off teachers part has not started yet and the teachers would be given plenty of chances before being re-trained.

[redandpewter55]

Because it is the teachers job to motivate their students if you try teaching a class of 30 kids something and then when you give them the test on it 20 of them fail the test it is your fault as a teacher. Also they are not getting fired they are being laid off and will recieve free training in a new feild that they will do better at. no one is saying this is all the teachers.

Some of it has to do with parents. In my house we make sure our 6 year old son knows how important his homework is. if he scores 100% on a test I take him out and get him a new toy or something to let him know that in life hard work will be rewarded.

Anyways, I love this plan and it has been working for years. McCain drew this up awhile ago and it has been a big success (the soldiers to teachers part). The laying off teachers part has not started yet and the teachers would be given plenty of chances before being re-trained.
What is the different between getting fired and getting laid off? One sounds better? :scratch:

I don't feel that it is the teachers responsibility to motivate a kid to want to learn. If they don't want to learn let them go flip some hamburgers. That is what is wrong with our country. Everything is always someone else's fault. All these kids that are failing their tests need to man up and take the blame. Blame the parents too. Don't blame the teachers. If these kids would put in the time to study and do their school work, we would have this problem.

[vetsgt02]

What is the different between getting fired and getting laid off? One sounds better? :scratch:

I don't feel that it is the teachers responsibility to motivate a kid to want to learn. If they don't want to learn let them go flip some hamburgers. That is what is wrong with our country. Everything is always someone else's fault. All these kids that are failing their tests need to man up and take the blame. Blame the parents too. Don't blame the teachers. If these kids would put in the time to study and do their school work, we would have this problem.


It is so obvious you have no kids. You will see what it is like when you do hae a family and you kids come home form school. I am not sayign you will be a bad parent so please do not take it that way but there are some things you will not understand about life until you have seen them from both sides and being a parent is one of them. It is the teacher job to teach if there class is not learnign then they are not teaching, plain and simple.

The difference between getting laid off and fired

fired: Yo get fired when you have done something wrong and you will nto recieve any aid or get unemloyment

Laid off: You can get laid off for a number of reasons that are not your fault or where out of your control. You can recieve unemployment and in this case you will be given free trainig in a feild that fits you better.

[redandpewter55]

It is so obvious you have no kids. You will see what it is like when you do hae a family and you kids come home form school. I am not sayign you will be a bad parent so please do not take it that way but there are some things you will not understand about life until you have seen them from both sides and being a parent is one of them. It is the teacher job to teach if there class is not learnign then they are not teaching, plain and simple.

The difference between getting laid off and fired

fired: Yo get fired when you have done something wrong and you will nto recieve any aid or get unemloyment

Laid off: You can get laid off for a number of reasons that are not your fault or where out of your control. You can recieve unemployment and in this case you will be given free trainig in a feild that fits you better.
I may not have kids, but I've been in school and see how it works. Some kids just don't care. I say let them go flip burgers at McDonalds. If a kid really wants to learn, it is not that hard.

"You can get laid off for a number of reasons that are not your fault or where out of your control."

You proved my point right here. We are short on teachers all over the country, but hey, lets start "laying off" all the "bad" ones for something that is not their fault or out of their control. Sounds like a sound system to me.

[AUTaxMan]

Some kids just don't care. I say let them go flip burgers at McDonalds. If a kid really wants to learn, it is not that hard.

You incorrectly assume that the kid who doesn't care about school will care enough to get a job. For the most part, they won't. They either live off the system or resort to crime, or both.

What is needed is something neither candidate can provide - a change within American culture that gives young people, especially poor young people, a sense of pride and family, and a will to work hard and succeed. People need to get rid of their sense of entitlement which the government enables and the media exploits.

[vetsgt02]

You incorrectly assume that the kid who doesn't care about school will care enough to get a job. For the most part, they won't. They either live off the system or resort to crime, or both.

What is needed is something neither candidate can provide - a change within American culture that gives young people, especially poor young people, a sense of pride and family, and a will to work hard and succeed. People need to get rid of their sense of entitlement which the government enables and the media exploits.


100% agree

[vetsgt02]

I may not have kids, but I've been in school and see how it works. Some kids just don't care. I say let them go flip burgers at McDonalds. If a kid really wants to learn, it is not that hard.

"You can get laid off for a number of reasons that are not your fault or where out of your control."

You proved my point right here. We are short on teachers all over the country, but hey, lets start "laying off" all the "bad" ones for something that is not their fault or out of their control. Sounds like a sound system to me.


By out of their control I ment they were trying their best to be good teachers but just were not. As for you going to school I barley think that makes you a subject matter expert. Kids learn if they like school very early on. If they have a crappy 1st and second grade teacher they could very well decide they hate school and skate through the rest of it. This Soldiers to Teacher program helps us bring in fresh teachers that can think outside the box and at the same time replace the ones who just do not cut the mustard.

[redandpewter55]

This is why our country sucks and is going right down the crapper. Everything is not your fault. Blame someone else. :clap:

[redandpewter55]

By out of their control I ment they were trying their best to be good teachers but just were not. As for you going to school I barley think that makes you a subject matter expert. Kids learn if they like school very early on. If they have a crappy 1st and second grade teacher they could very well decide they hate school and skate through the rest of it. This Soldiers to Teacher program helps us bring in fresh teachers that can think outside the box and at the same time replace the ones who just do not cut the mustard.
You having a kid doesn't make you a subject matter expert either. If kids learn to like school early on, then it is the parents fault if they don't like school. Why are we blaming the teacher? What happens if we start firing teachers, bring in former soldiers to be teachers, and then the scores don't improve. Do we fire the soldiers too? Then who so we get to be teachers?

If you fail at your job, should your boss get fired?

[vetsgt02]

You having a kid doesn't make you a subject matter expert either. If kids learn to like school early on, then it is the parents fault if they don't like school. Why are we blaming the teacher? What happens if we start firing teachers, bring in former soldiers to be teachers, and then the scores don't improve. Do we fire the soldiers too? Then who so we get to be teachers?

If you fail at your job, should your boss get fired?


You make no sence at all enjoy the rest of your day I am done talking to someone who has not clue what is going on around them.

[redandpewter55]

You make no sence at all enjoy the rest of your day I am done talking to someone who has not clue what is going on around them.
How do I make no sense? You cannot sit here and tell me that I don't make a valid point.

[vetsgt02]

How do I make no sense? You cannot sit here and tell me that I don't make a valid point. Enjoy the rest of your day blaming someone else for your kids problem.

just so you know this is going way to far. Not agreeing with me is one thing but there is no reason to say anything about my son.

[scrappy]

didn't read all of this but got the jist of it

bad teachers aren't necessarily to blame. my niece who is turning 10 next week, has already been given excuses by her not so bright mother.

her mom had a learning disability/laziness when she was in school. couldn't get up for school on time or make it anywhere on time, which has carried over to her adulthood, since she lost her job that was 2 miles from her home for being late one too many times. so her kid already is using the excuse of a learning disability. she has been tested and every test says she's fine, just lazy. they are paying $300 a month for her to have a private tutor because she can't read well. she's in 4th grade and reads at a 2nd grade level.

so teachers aren't to blame for her not reading well. my brother had to push the school to test her in the first place because they didn't think there was a problem. turns out she is a bit of a slow reader, but you have to push her. i tutored her with her homework when i was in school. since i went to work regular hours, they had to find a tutor. i don't think in this day and age, parents spend as much time looking over their kids homework as they did when i was a kid. my parents were always on my butt about school work and homework. but i was lucky enough to grow up with one parent who was home for part of the time. now in order to survive you HAVE to have 2 parents that work and by the time they are done with work, cooking dinner, there isn't much time left in the day. my brother is spent by the time he gets home. works 8-5 with 30-60 minute commute here, picks up his youngest at daycare, my parents pick up the other 2 from school, he's home by 630-7 gets dinner started and the kids fed and showered and off to bed by 8. if they could afford for him to stay home with the kids, they would.

my point is, crutches are given out to kids and they are quicker to use them, than our generation was.

[vetsgt02]

scrappy:

I agree all I am saying is that this program of soldiers to teachers is a good program. It is not a witch hunt just looking to fire teachers but it does help us alot. For one it helps our vets find a new way to serve their country and be proud of themselves which is a hard thing to do.

[scrappy]

oh i think they should still take tests to be state certified.

i don't think they get paid enough for what they do

[vetsgt02]

oh i think they should still take tests to be state certified.

i don't think they get paid enough for what they do

Go to the top and check out the site I linked it explains it pretty good. The soldiers still get certified and tested just in a faster way. I is pretty hard to pass it through this program you basically take your final for your subjects without going to class if you get an 80% or higher on each subject you pass that course. It is a great option for military people.

[Poopy Pants]

I didnt care to read through this whole thread, but I made it past the first 12 or so posts. Personally, a teacher can only do so much. Especially grade school teachers where they have multiple subjects to cover. They also have 25-30 students to teach in a limited amount of time. After they do that, its up to the parents to make sure the kid studies and understands the material. If they dont, in most cases the teacher will gladly sit down with the student during recess or free time. After that, there isnt much more the teacher can do, and its once again in the parents hands. Most of the time, its the student, and its something deeper. Sorry if this was covered, but I figured I would throw it out there anyways.

[Bounty13]

I am still waiting for a link, video, or sound bite to back up your unsubstantiated accusation.

[vetsgt02]

I am still waiting for a link, video, or sound bite to back up your unsubstantiated accusation.


? I missed something? :doh:

[DNoz29]

I am still waiting for a link, video, or sound bite to back up your unsubstantiated accusation.
Watching the debate again (recorded it on the DVR), and he just said it. It's during the final question about education.

[vetsgt02]

if you guys would just look at the link I posted you can read about what he was talking about

[Bounty13]

I have to go find it myself...

MCCAIN: "We need to encourage programs such as Teach for America and Troops to Teachers where people, after having served in the military, can go right to teaching and not have to take these examinations which -- or have the certification that some are required in some states."


As much fault it is on McCain for knowing exactly what he wants to say but has problems articulating it to layman's terms... He said to use those two programs to help returning veterans find jobs quickly, and in many cases already have the job lined up before they separate from the military.

"The Hire in Advance Program guarantees active military members a teaching position up to three years before they separate/retire from service. The program provides a seamless transition from the military to the classroom while helping fill a growing teacher shortage.

Working directly with the participating school district, Hire in Advance participants will be interviewed and have their background and initial credentials reviewed. If qualified, they will be guaranteed a position within the district. A specific school is not guaranteed, but the agreement secures a job in the district at the credential-qualified grade level. A salary projection also is provided.

Individuals will receive a signed “Letter of Intent for Employment” a year to two years in advance outlining specific contingent requirements, such as testing and education requirements."
-http://www.dantes.doded.mil/dantes_web/troopstoteachers/HireInAdvance.asp


"Members of the armed forces who wish to receive the program's assistance for placement as an elementary or secondary school teacher must have a baccalaureate or advance degree, and their last period of service in the armed forces must have been honorable. In selecting members of the armed forces to participate in the program, the Department of Defense must give priority to those members who have educational or military experience in science, mathematics, special education, or vocational/technical subjects and who agree to seek employment as teachers in a subject area compatible with their backgrounds."
-http://www.ed.gov/programs/troops/index.html

[Blitzburgh]

red is 100% on the money.... Vets dude, your idea is so backwards its not even funny....

Fire the teacher because they didnt motivate enough in a subject...:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

How about the parent (YOU) gets off their ass and works with their own kid...

Thats the problem with some parents today, blame everyone else....

Im a dad, my kids blows it in a class, its on me. Period.

Your analogy is so off, Id like you to explain why the the entire government isnt fired already for the current state of this country...

what a joke....

[DNoz29]

I have to go find it myself...

For what it's worth:

Watching the debate again (recorded it on the DVR), and he just said it. It's during the final question about education.

[vetsgt02]

red is 100% on the money.... Vets dude, your idea is so backwards its not even funny....

Fire the teacher because they didnt motivate enough in a subject...:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

How about the parent (YOU) gets off their ass and works with their own kid...

Thats the problem with some parents today, blame everyone else....

Im a dad, my kids blows it in a class, its on me. Period.

Your analogy is so off, Id like you to explain why the the entire government isnt fired already for the current state of this country...

what a joke....

You think it is backwards that is fine but hey if you have a job and you suck at it you get fired it is the real world. For the record my Sons does very well in school. Chelo works very hard with him and he loves it we have been blessed with great teachers so far that make it fun for him at school which makes it easier on us when he is home.

[Seahawcla]

Im going to do this as nice as possible, but you are hitting close to home.

When I as a teacher get the right to hand pick which students I get to work with then by all means hold me accountable and fire me. But this is not reality.

Students show up twice a month, can not speak english, have parents who supply them with drugs/alcohol all week, parents who are alcoholic/drug addicts, etc... These are the schools that fail, the low income, lack of parent involvement schools.

If only every school had the right to have parents involved like private schools, and many high income public schools.

The Republican position on this is wrong and it has nothing to do with how underpaid I am for the degree my state expects me to hold.

The republican method will have the schools/kids that need the least amount of help get the most and vice versa.

There are bad teachers no doubt, but if you hold me accountable for test scores, I like every other competent teacher are going to head to the affluent communities to protect are jobs. Those schools will grab the best teachers, and leave the kids who are in desparate need of role models and quality instruction with whatever is left over.

Those that say test scores are a reflection of an educator are ignorant and should be required to spend a month in a failing school and tell them fix the test scores or lose your job.

And the military thing could be a good idea, but its not content training, they need to know how to work with kids. Ive seen too many bad coaches in sports alone because they dont teach and have no clue how to relate to kids. I am not sure how much you can shave off without making sure they are prepared.

[DNoz29]

Im going to do this as nice as possible, but you are hitting close to home.

When I as a teacher get the right to hand pick which students I get to work with then by all means hold me accountable and fire me. But this is not reality.

Students show up twice a month, can not speak english, have parents who supply them with drugs/alcohol all week, parents who are alcoholic/drug addicts, etc... These are the schools that fail, the low income, lack of parent involvement schools.

If only every school had the right to have parents involved like private schools, and many high income public schools.

The Republican position on this is wrong and it has nothing to do with how underpaid I am for the degree my state expects me to hold.

The republican method will have the schools/kids that need the least amount of help get the most and vice versa.

There are bad teachers no doubt, but if you hold me accountable for test scores, I like every other competent teacher are going to head to the affluent communities to protect are jobs. Those schools will grab the best teachers, and leave the kids who are in desparate need of role models and quality instruction with whatever is left over.

Those that say test scores are a reflection of an educator are ignorant and should be required to spend a month in a failing school and tell them fix the test scores or lose your job.

And the military thing could be a good idea, but its not content training, they need to know how to work with kids. Ive seen too many bad coaches in sports alone because they dont teach and have no clue how to relate to kids. I am not sure how much you can shave off without making sure they are prepared.
Well said, Jon. :clap:

[vetsgt02]

First off I respect you and the job you do. I however see to many teachers where the class size is 30 kids (which is way to big of a class size) and when given a test only a handful can pass it. There is no way all the students that fail are because of the parents there has to be some responsibility by the teacher to admit that their idea they used to teach did not work and retrain the children. I understand how hard it must be to teach high school kids ( I have coached Varsity Football for 5 years) but my concern is with the younger kids who are just starting out like grades K-7. My first grader loves school and that is because he has a great teacher but some kids are not as lucky. Something needs to happen to help the Teachers and the students.

I know you need help teaching it is not fair that you have to take on the responsibility of so many bad parents. I was wondering though since you do teach what would be a way that myself as a parent can make things easier for you the teacher? Also since you feel this plan is flaud what would be a good way to fix it?

[Seahawcla]

First off I respect you and the job you do. I however see to many teachers where the class size is 30 kids (which is way to big of a class size) and when given a test only a handful can pass it. There is no way all the students that fail are because of the parents there has to be some responsibility by the teacher to admit that their idea they used to teach did not work and retrain the children. I understand how hard it must be to teach high school kids ( I have coached Varsity Football for 5 years) but my concern is with the younger kids who are just starting out like grades K-7. My first grader loves school and that is because he has a great teacher but some kids are not as lucky. Something needs to happen to help the Teachers and the students.

I know you need help teaching it is not fair that you have to take on the responsibility of so many bad parents. I was wondering though since you do teach what would be a way that myself as a parent can make things easier for you the teacher? Also since you feel this plan is flaud what would be a good way to fix it?


I teach them in high school so things can are much different then the younger ages. Kids reach me and its not cool to be smart or act like they even care. I would love to get this midset kicked out the door.

If we held an open house at our school out of my 100 kids I might see 10-15 parents that night. If you do the same at the younger ages youll get almost a full class of parents. I dont know why the dettachment at the high school age but it needs to change. This is such a critical and formative time for them, parents need to consistently check on progress and get involved with the kids lives.

First thing is make sure school is shown as valuable and challenge them to take courses that will help prepare them for college (hopefully). Or whatever direction they head to... Kids like what is easiest, parents need to make sure they get in advanced classes. Id say 60-70% of the population could handle AP courses if they had the support in place.

Second communicate with the school to see what is available for your kid. My grades are accesible to the minute online and I send email out weekly informing parents and students what is ahead. My advanced course I teach had 100% of parents give me email addresses. My "normal" courses was about 40-45%, parents reflect students how is that for evidence!

Third make sure to not worry about being friendly, you will have to tell them its not OK to do what everyone else is doing. They will thank you later.

Teachers are here to help, I cant force them to drink the water, but I will teach them how.


As for schools in general, I take a very liberal approach because I believe that it is only good for society that our kids from the toughest neighborhoods need every opportunity to succeed. And as unpopular as it may be, more money needs to go to these districts which the opposite is happening. Rich areas usually have more support in place already and will get OK scores even with poor teachers. Encourage the best teachers to end up in the worst areas.

And as for the NCLB which is underfunded and unrealistic. Every kid is not made for college. I am not going to be an artist no matter how hard I try or how good of an art teacher I have. Not all kids can play basketball either for example. We have this myth that every kid needs to pass. If 100% of the opulation passes a test, is the test worth having? If I ever have that many A's on a test I make my next exam more difficult. Kids seem to understand in my class the goal is to make them think and be challenged to stretch their minds.

So Id like to see us follow the rest of the world and start tracking kids around 10th grade. I would hope that the tracking is flexible so kids and parents can still move to college track even if the scores are behind though.

Education is tough, we take on everyone which I love but I wish their was more in place for those that dont have the support I had growing up. Sometimes I wish I could lecture a parent on why its not OK to supply your kid with Alcohol when they are 15.

Id do a backflip for a republican to call out parents (where is the family value drum banging on this issue?) like Obama has done a few times. Education starts at home, It is very difficult for me to do my job unless it gets done at home first.

[DNoz29]

Education starts at home, It is very difficult for me to do my job unless it gets done at home first.
/thread

[vetsgt02]

WOW :) We work hard with Neo and have taken in a couple high schoolers from the football team. They came for bad home lives and had horrible grades after we took them in their grades went through the roof and one of them is going to college now. The other works for UPS and likes his job. I see what you meen all these kids wanted was for someone to give a crap about them and when we told them their grades had to be a 3.5 and higher to live in our house they came home with 3.7's. I do nto see how people can have kids and not be involved with them. It blows my mind I coach my sons t-ball and Chelo does most of the homework stuff.

[Seahawcla]

WOW :) We work hard with Neo and have taken in a couple high schoolers from the football team. They came for bad home lives and had horrible grades after we took them in their grades went through the roof and one of them is going to college now. The other works for UPS and likes his job. I see what you meen all these kids wanted was for someone to give a crap about them and when we told them their grades had to be a 3.5 and higher to live in our house they came home with 3.7's. I do nto see how people can have kids and not be involved with them. It blows my mind I coach my sons t-ball and Chelo does most of the homework stuff.


Which is why your kid is in good hands and has a much better opportunity to have a good direction in life. I wish there was a way for all kids to have this kind of involvement.

[vetsgt02]

Which is why your kid is in good hands and has a much better opportunity to have a good direction in life. I wish there was a way for all kids to have this kind of involvement.


Me to. I hate seeing some of the kids around here. There parents are on drugs the kids are dirty all the time and half the class is on SARBS. These kids do not have a chance and in 15 years most them will be passing the cycle on to their kids. I do agree that NCLB was a complete joke. We work with some of the school board members and stuff but our school system is falling apart. We are from a very small town and more than half of the town is drugged out. When we go on away trips with the varsity football team we end up feeding about 20 kids off the dollar menu because they were sent with 5 dollars to last them for 3 meals that day.