Sopranos Finale

[thepistonsfan]

Wow, tonights episode was absolutely nuts. I can't believe the series finale next week is only going to be one hour! They really aren't leaving anything to the imagination. Almost everyone is dead or on their way out. :salut:

[dnabb8436]

It was awesome after the dude was shot outside of the strip club and the strippers all ran out naked, and then the dude on the motorcycle crashed.

[ar1888]

I really hate to see the show go.

[Zo]

I really hate to see the show go..

[GiantFan]

I'm definitely sad that it is ending but these shows can't run forever. Now, who will win in the end.....phil or tony. Should be a grea series finale.

[thepistonsfan]

I'm definitely sad that it is ending but these shows can't run forever. Now, who will win in the end.....phil or tony. Should be a grea series finale.

I think one of two scenarios will play out. I think one of Tony's immediate family will get taken out. That will force Tony out of hiding and lead to a meeting with Phil. Tony will end up taking out Phil but be left to ponder everything he's lost as the show concludes.

Another scenario knocking around in my head is that Phil takes out Tony. AJ finally grows some stones, jolts out of his depression, gathers the "younger crew" from a few episodes back and takes out Phil - leaving him in charge of a new, younger NJ crew as the show concludes.

Can't wait to see how it plays out.

[Zo]

It was hilarious to see Tony drag AJ out of bed and stuff him into the closet.

[stantonss]

I think something will happen to AJ and the arabs.... They keep touching on AJ's Int'l terror BS he is now obsessed with... Then the FBI coming to the sandwich shop to talk about the two arabs... Something is up with that.

My other thought is.... Tony may take himself out "when/if" something happens to his family.

Just a thought.

[Will]

If they had kept this show as exciting as last nights episode, then I wouldnt have many complaints. That show has needed this kind of action for YEARS and they usually save it for 1 drama point in a season. It sucks to see them go but I wont miss em.

I dont see how they can tie up all those loose ends in 1hr. It has to be longer.


I just hope they dont pull a series ender where it was all just a dream and Tony was really a trash guy in life or some BS like that.

[f8n4tune]

If they had kept this show as exciting as last nights episode, then I wouldnt have many complaints. That show has needed this kind of action for YEARS and they usually save it for 1 drama point in a season. It sucks to see them go but I wont miss em.

I dont see how they can tie up all those loose ends in 1hr. It has to be longer.


I just hope they dont pull a series ender where it was all just a dream and Tony was really a trash guy in life or some BS like that.

I feel the same way , it got kinda boring after yr 3 or so. I'm all for the human side of it but it was becoming ridiculous. Yes it needs to be longer , how can you end a show that's run that long in an hour ?

Someone in Tony's family is gonna get hit and he goes off the deep end is my thought and I think it's gonna be Meadow. Then when it's all over he turns snitch for the Feds :) He has been feeling guilty about the asbestos and the Arab thing.

[Will]

One of many rumored spoilers that got my attn and I can see being very possible-





















Carm blows up, as in kaboom over with no time to speculate that we didnt see her head blow off, burnt to a crisp good old fashion remote control bomb. It is witnessed by aj and meadow, who are on there way to a safe house, at this point aj finaly steps up, knowing his father is outmatched with little muscle left. I can hear you all ready saying aj couldnt kill himself how the hell can he kill someone else. this has been in his destiny, he will help his father. Meadow will fade to black as tony orders her off with janice and she ggives him a mouthfull about how she knew he killed that man when they went to college s1 ep 5? and he is the devil, blah blah blah. that will be the end of meadow and janice. Tony and his lowly crew with new members aj, and pat jr. will develop a plan, Tony is called to a sit down with a mafia boss we have never met or ever heard of, which I felt was kinda lame, and tony smells it out. paulie walnuts comes up with the info of where phil is (some cabin) and sends benny and aj to handle it. benny kills phil at a gas station, also alternate version of aj killing phil was left on the cutting board. Tony and paulie wipe out the remaing crew, with only carmine jr. remaing to deal with after aget harris plays him a tape of carmine and phil discussing why the hit on tony didnt go down when carmine brought him to phils houe ( phils voice saying cooler heads have prevailed was phil telling carmine the hit was off) when aj returns his father is ready for a father son mafia moment and aj is having none of it, agent harris who is acting on intelegence that tony is going to kill carmine goes to discourage him, and walks in on AJ with glock loaded pointed at tony. he tells tony that he killed his mom, bobby, jackie jr, and god knows who else and the killing stops today. before he can squeese the trigger angent harris fires a shot and hits aj in the chest, tony screams and runs to aj who dies in his arms simalar to after his sucide attempt. in the end tony is by himself, no where to go. The final scene is melfi reading it all in a newspaper at a ice cream parlor. the end.

[metallikat87]

It was hilarious to see Tony drag AJ out of bed and stuff him into the closet.
did you guys catch the line of the episode in the one where aj tried to off himself?
dr melfi said to tony that maybe subconsciencly he left himself enough rope so that he didnt die and tony said "yeah, that or hes a ****in idiot"

I think something will happen to AJ and the arabs.... They keep touching on AJ's Int'l terror BS he is now obsessed with... Then the FBI coming to the sandwich shop to talk about the two arabs... Something is up with that.

My other thought is.... Tony may take himself out "when/if" something happens to his family.

Just a thought.
i have been wondering wtf with the arabs
it seems like a worthless story-line to show us since i dont see how they will tie that in to the show with only one episode left

unless all that was just to keep tonys relationship open with that fed so that he could warn tony about the hit that phil put on him

[thepistonsfan]

One of many rumored spoilers that got my attn and I can see being very possible-





















Carm blows up, as in kaboom over with no time to speculate that we didnt see her head blow off, burnt to a crisp good old fashion remote control bomb. It is witnessed by aj and meadow, who are on there way to a safe house, at this point aj finaly steps up, knowing his father is outmatched with little muscle left. I can hear you all ready saying aj couldnt kill himself how the hell can he kill someone else. this has been in his destiny, he will help his father. Meadow will fade to black as tony orders her off with janice and she ggives him a mouthfull about how she knew he killed that man when they went to college s1 ep 5? and he is the devil, blah blah blah. that will be the end of meadow and janice. Tony and his lowly crew with new members aj, and pat jr. will develop a plan, Tony is called to a sit down with a mafia boss we have never met or ever heard of, which I felt was kinda lame, and tony smells it out. paulie walnuts comes up with the info of where phil is (some cabin) and sends benny and aj to handle it. benny kills phil at a gas station, also alternate version of aj killing phil was left on the cutting board. Tony and paulie wipe out the remaing crew, with only carmine jr. remaing to deal with after aget harris plays him a tape of carmine and phil discussing why the hit on tony didnt go down when carmine brought him to phils houe ( phils voice saying cooler heads have prevailed was phil telling carmine the hit was off) when aj returns his father is ready for a father son mafia moment and aj is having none of it, agent harris who is acting on intelegence that tony is going to kill carmine goes to discourage him, and walks in on AJ with glock loaded pointed at tony. he tells tony that he killed his mom, bobby, jackie jr, and god knows who else and the killing stops today. before he can squeese the trigger angent harris fires a shot and hits aj in the chest, tony screams and runs to aj who dies in his arms simalar to after his sucide attempt. in the end tony is by himself, no where to go. The final scene is melfi reading it all in a newspaper at a ice cream parlor. the end.


Where did you hear that??

[Will]

Where did you hear that??

Found it roaming the net for spoilers and rumors.

[Will]

Supposedly a complete run down of whats to happen in the finale
















The episode opens at a gas station in upstate New york a couple pull up to a pump in a red Cadillac. It is revealed to be Phil and Patty Leotardo. Phil gets out and begins to fill his tank when Benny Fazio approaches him from behind and shoots him twice in the head. Benny runs and gets into a sedan driven by Patsy Parisi and the two speed off as an african american youth onlooker throws up. We see see Tony Soprano, Paulie Walnuts, Carlo Gervasi, and Dante Greco playing cards in the safehouse from the prior episode. Tony gets a call from Benny on a payphone. He says "The Shaw's gone," and hangs up. Tony get up and motions for Paulie to follow. The two get into his Escalade after putting his AR-10 inot the backseat.

The two drive to Satriales and sit outside all the while discussing days past in Johnny Boy Sopranos heyday. Paulie is working on his tan and Tony is smoking a cigar when a black Cadillac sedan approaches. Little Carmine Lupertazzi exits the backseat while the car drives around the corner. They seat themselves across from Tony and Paulie and begin to discuss recent affairs. After many malaprosims from Carmine and some moronic rambling from Paulie Tony laughs and interjects saying he is proud to be present at the first sit down between the new bosses of New Jersey and Brooklyn. Paulie and Carmine both appear shocked and Tony tells them its long over due and Paulie has been passed up too many times. Tony leaves the two and goes inside to speak with Agent Harris. Who is seen sitting in the back corner. Harris acknowledges Carmines presence and asks if hes to take that Carmine's the new boss of Brooklynn Tony tells him to, "Take whatever the *beep* you want and take one last Veal Parm Hero on the house." We now see AJ, Carmella, and Meadow in a motel room. A knock on the door prompts Carmella to remove a .45 automatic from her purse and walk to the door and ask whos there? Meadow reading the paper and AJ watching t.v. are both scared. After a long silence a familiar voice say's "A loving father and husband." Carmella opens the door and Tony and Paulie enter they all leave and go back to Casa De Soprano. After arriving home Janice Pulls up, leaves her kids there and her and Tony leave. Leaving Paulie to guard their respective families.

The two arrive at a state hospital where they enter one at a time to
talk to their Uncle Junior. Janice goes first and the two discuss moving him out of the hospital and Tony comes in to talk with him. The two make small talk until the shooting comes up. Junior apoligizes and said he was out of his head and that he always loved Tony even when he didnt show it. Tony and Janice return home around night fall and Tony and Paulie leave again Carmella is worried and Tony tells her not to worry this is the last time he will be leaving like this. Paulie and Tony are sitting in his car at night in an empty parking lot as the snow is falling discussing Paulies promotion Tony says he will be happy to be Consigliere to Paulie. When headlights shine upon them. The two get out and walk toward a parked SUV. When Butch DeConcini and Albie Cianflone exit it and walk toward them. They discuss peace and Tony tells the that if ran under Carmine, Brooklyn could expect no porblems from them. They shake hands and Tony suggests a drink to celebrate. Tony walks back to his car and opens the backseat. Tony pulls out a large object covered in a black plastic garbage bag. Paulie runs off to the side and throws himself down and Albie and Butch pull ot pistols but are too late when the garbage bag erupts with machine gun fire. Tony helps Paulie out of the snow and the two admire the AR-10 and two dead bodies. Tony looks the gun over and admires a phrase written on the stock. "Made In America." The two then drive away. We see the Soprano home at daylight the next day Carmella is in the bathtub, Meadow is asleep, and AJ is unlocking the hidden gun closet in an indoor column. he removes something and then goes outside. We see the pool once again uncovered yet empty and AJ is sitting in the botton holding a hand grenade. He pulls the pin out and holds the handle he hesitates and throws it to the other end of the pool it blows up dirtying him. Carmella comes outside
with her .45 and nearly shoots her son. Tony arrives to see him sitting on the couch being questioned AJ says it was so cool. Tony laughs and writes it off and tells everyone to get in the car. Carmella asks where there going and Tony replies, Out for ice cream. We se a number of things in the final scene Paulie the surviving Jersey crew with Carmine and his crew having dinner together and toasting the two's promotions. Silvio's heartbeat monitor going flat. Janice in a small home with her three kids appearing miserable. Agent Harris
arresting the two muslims from the Bada Bing apparently making bombs. Pat Blundetto breaking Junior out of the state hospital.Dr. Jennifer Melfi Smiling alone in her office while reading about the recent gangland slayings and Anthony Sopranos apparent stepping down as boss. Finally we see Tony and his immediate family together at an ice cream parlor.Tony then tells his family that hes no longer depressed and that being with his family and them being safe was better than all the therapists and Prozac in the world. It just took all this *beep* to make him see it. AJ says he's happy just to be alive and that hes snapped out of it aswell. Tony proposes a toast to his family mirroring the season one finale "I Dream Of Jeannie Cusamano".

[thepistonsfan]

One hour to go! :pop:

[dnabb8436]

:cheers:One hour to go! :pop:

[andy]

I dont get HBO :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

or Skinemax :(:(:(:(:(:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

[thepistonsfan]

You have got to be friggin kidding me. That was the most god awful ending imaginable...

[bamasa37sb34]

You have got to be friggin kidding me. That was the most god awful ending imaginable...

What happened?

[DNoz29]

God dammit! We waited 9 years for that?!

LAME

[thepistonsfan]

What happened?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[thepistonsfan]

I thought my damn cable went out. :doh:

[DNoz29]

I thought the picture would come back and show something like Tony's funeral or something like that.

UGH

[thepistonsfan]

I feel like I have blue balls right now. What a complete waste of an hour. :salut:

[markbiz]

I thought my damn cable went out. :doh:


That's so funny!!! I was watching it on my DVR and thought that it stopped recording before it was over.....I was like what the....and then the credits came up!

[thepistonsfan]

And for the record........I now think he died. Remember the conversation with Bobby at the start of the season!

"You probably don't even hear it coming".

:idea:

[thepistonsfan]

From the 'sopranolands' forum:


He's dead...

He did not hear "the one that got him".

The guy who got up and went to the bathroom, they focused on him, then T looks up, and everything goes black...

T is dead.


It's the only way I can see how it ended...

what do you think?


Pretty fascinating take.....I think this has real possibilities.

[Zo]

From the 'sopranolands' forum:


He's dead...

He did not hear "the one that got him".

The guy who got up and went to the bathroom, they focused on him, then T looks up, and everything goes black...

T is dead.


It's the only way I can see how it ended...

what do you think?


Pretty fascinating take.....I think this has real possibilities.

I thought it was a great ending...:cheers:

[Barry Sanders=G.O.A.T.]

Well I for one was dissapointed in the Series finale. The way it ended was completely stupid. Even if it was Tony getting shot and thats why it went black it still dumb. Wow a show that was so good in the beginning, but these last two seasons it just wasnt the same. I dunno just a lil dissapointing but what isnt

[thepistonsfan]

I have never before been in such deep thought about a series ending!!! Chase really did a fantastic job ending the greatest TV show of all time. I have done a complete 180 from my initial reaction that it was horrible.

When the TV screen went black Tony was _____? Answer: alive. When the TV went black, Tony was living his life ______? Answer: exactly as he always had.

I think everyone is trying to guess what happened AFTER the show ended. But at the actual end, that is when the TV goes black, Tony is alive, Tony is a gangsta, Tony has all the same problems he's always had, and Tony is figuring out ways around the problems as he always has.

So, everyone is trying to guess what happens to Tony AFTER the end. BUT, the ending of the show was that Tony lived. He got away again. And why? Because he's Tony ****ing Soprano and he always gets away. I love it.

[Zo]

I have never before been in such deep thought about a series ending!!! Chase really did a fantastic job ending the greatest TV show of all time. I have done a complete 180 from my initial reaction that it was horrible.

When the TV screen went black Tony was _____? Answer: alive. When the TV went black, Tony was living his life ______? Answer: exactly as he always had.

I think everyone is trying to guess what happened AFTER the show ended. But at the actual end, that is when the TV goes black, Tony is alive, Tony is a gangsta, Tony has all the same problems he's always had, and Tony is figuring out ways around the problems as he always has.

So, everyone is trying to guess what happens to Tony AFTER the end. BUT, the ending of the show was that Tony lived. He got away again. And why? Because he's Tony ****ing Soprano and he always gets away. I love it.

LOL, there are many ways it could have went. I think he got whacked, but even if he didn't I still loved it.

This is EXACTLY what they wanted. Keep everyone guessing. It was ****ing awesome!!!:cheers:

I wonder if we'll ever find out...:think:

[thepistonsfan]

LOL, there are many ways it could have went. I think he got whacked, but even if he didn't I still loved it.

This is EXACTLY what they wanted. Keep everyone guessing. It was ****ing awesome!!!:cheers:

I wonder if we'll ever find out...:think:


The DVD box set is going to have all THREE episodes that Chase filmed.

:cheers:

[Zo]

The DVD box set is going to have all THREE episodes that Chase filmed.

:cheers:

:shifty:

[f8n4tune]

OMG I can't believe I set aside time to watch that crap , I could have just waited till later to see it on one of my other HBO channels , or not because you guys would have warned me. Man that was TRULY a waste of an ending and an hour of my life !

[Will]

its called leaving it open for the movie :dj:

[Chadjacksonfan]

its called leaving it open for the movie :dj:

thats what i figured!

[rexvos]

I like how they popped Leotardo.

[stantonss]

I thought the ending wad dope. Left wide open for a show to happen 5 years from now, a movie or just to the imagination.....

I thought Meadow was going to get ran over, I thought AJ was gonna get popped, I thought creepy creeper who took a piss was gonna pop T....

It ended the way anyone thinks it ended, if you think it went black because he got shot, then great, if you think it went black because you think it's the inside of Tony's eyelids and this whole series was a dream, the that's it.....

Whatever your little mind can conjur up is how it ended.

maybe we'll find out for sure some day.

One thing I do know is, Paulie and that Cat was hilarious......

[rexvos]

I thought the ending wad dope. Left wide open for a show to happen 5 years from now, a movie or just to the imagination.....

I thought Meadow was going to get ran over, I thought AJ was gonna get popped, I thought creepy creeper who took a piss was gonna pop T....

It ended the way anyone thinks it ended, if you think it went black because he got shot, then great, if you think it went black because you think it's the inside of Tony's eyelids and this whole series was a dream, the that's it.....

Whatever your little mind can conjur up is how it ended.

maybe we'll find out for sure some day.

One thing I do know is, Paulie and that Cat was hilarious......

that was my favorite part.:lollol:

[f8n4tune]

After thinking it over I think the cat was Aida , Cris' girl reincarnated or something.

[metallikat87]

I thought the ending wad dope. Left wide open for a show to happen 5 years from now, a movie or just to the imagination.....

I thought Meadow was going to get ran over, I thought AJ was gonna get popped, I thought creepy creeper who took a piss was gonna pop T....

It ended the way anyone thinks it ended, if you think it went black because he got shot, then great, if you think it went black because you think it's the inside of Tony's eyelids and this whole series was a dream, the that's it.....

Whatever your little mind can conjur up is how it ended.

maybe we'll find out for sure some day.

One thing I do know is, Paulie and that Cat was hilarious......
this was a great paulie walnuts episode but nothing more
you guys are putting too much thought inot it imo
david chase just said screw you to everyone thats been wtaching the show for ten years and did not give us an ending at all
he tried to leave it to us which is bull, hes the writer he is supposed to decide how it ends and he didnt, which is a copout in my opinion

[DNoz29]

I like how they popped Leotardo.
Best part of the episode. Did anyone else LOL at that? I know I did.

Then again, I am a sick bastard. ;)

[rexvos]

Best part of the episode. Did anyone else LOL at that? I know I did.

Then again, I am a sick bastard. ;)

I laughed when the homeboy with the 40 threw up.

[Rake]

I laughed when the homeboy with the 40 threw up.

Same here. Also laughed at the cat screwing with Paulie's head.

[Rake]

Watching the episode, I lost track of time/how far along the show was. Around the time when T gets to the diner, my stomach started tightening up like something was about to happen, and it stayed all knotted up until the end scene.

As for the ending, when Bobby said earlier that it just goes black, that's what happened to us, the viewers. It went black. We were whacked.

*edit* I'm reading that different viewers saw different endings? The last person I saw was Tony, some are saying that the last person they saw was Meadow. :scratch:

[jdworley]

I thought it was genius. It wasn't overdone in some silly Scarface kind of way. There wasn't a sappy, everyone's happy type of ending. It was perfect.

The thing about this show that I've always loved is how they have de-glamorized the mobster. As much as you want to make Tony the hero of the story, you are constantly reminded he's a sick, murdering, thief. Its an awful, self-centered, empty life. And the last half of that episode illustrated that perfectly. He's got Silvio in the hospital with tubes sticking out of his chest. Uncle Jun has lost his mind and Paulie isn't far behind. One of his crew has flipped and is going to testify. Christopher is dead, Bobby is dead, and his sister is insane. All of that shows how miserable of a life-style this guy leads. There is no long term happiness here.

Chase then drives it home with the final scene. Something as simple as a dinner out with the family becomes insanely tense as Tony has to monitor every person that walks through the door. Anyone in there could be a cop, a hit man, or just an average guy. And thats the life he's condemned to.

To me, its kind of beside the point if Tony lived or if he got whacked. Its the lifestyle. If he didn't die that night, he will eventually die from the lifestyle. There isn't anyway out of that life except death. The only guy who could be considered a winner in the mob game is Junior. He avoided jail, the Feds, and attempted hits. And look at his ending.

I'm going to miss this show.

Jarred

[oregonweim]

I actually have never seen a single episode of this show :D

[Will]

It was a good show overall...but what I didnt like throughout the series was that they would create a drama point in one episode, leave it unfinished, and never touch back on it.

[GiantFan]

A friend just emailed this to me. Thought some people would be interested in reading it. I think he got it from some message board...

Remember when he was speaking with Bobby...basically saying that you don't see it happening?

So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase
is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.

So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the brothas at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).
Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and thenit just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just
as we have to say goodbye, so does he.



Tony's dead.

A) First episode of this season Bobby says you don't hear it when you're shot.

B) Second to last episode of this season, Tony flashes to Bobby saying you don't hear it when you're shot.

C) The entire story arc was about Tony - when Tony's gone, the arc is done.

D) In the diner, every time someone walked through the door, the perspective changed to Tony's as he looked up

E) After the last bell jingle, just as the perspective changed to Tony's everything went black and silent - as though the person whose perspective we were to shift to was no longer alive

F) The cat was a reminder that Tony killed Chris, and had Adriana killed. The cat was a reminder that Tony's a bad guy - who has it coming.

G) There was so much symmetry between Phil's execution in front of his family and Tony's last moments

H) We all know how much Godfather III ruined the Godfather movies. I think the focus on Meadow was a reference to the Godfather. David Chase didn't end it the way Godfather III ended. This time the boss gets killed.

I) Every other episode ended in music during the credits. This one had no music because Tony's dead.

J) Episode titles have always meant something. This episode's title referred to Bobby's gift of the gun to Tony. When he gave it to him he made the comment about how everything would just go silent when you were shot.

K) The ending was so incredibly brilliant. We all felt what it was like to be Tony in those final five minutes. We all felt nervous, anxious, just as he must have felt. After being absorbed into Tony's experience, we were left with silence and blackness like death because...

Tony is dead.

[Will]

Thats the argument most people have been running with. Tony is dead.

Most think its left for use to decide etc etc what happened and for it to possibly be left open for the movie so nothing "definitive" was done to the show or other characters for the time being.

[seahawks4ever]

I actually have never seen a single episode of this show :D

me too :salut:

I never saw Oz either until it was On Demand (and I got On Demand)

[Zo]

It was a good show overall...but what I didnt like throughout the series was that they would create a drama point in one episode, leave it unfinished, and never touch back on it.

Isn't that more realistic though? Often, things are left unfinished...

[metallikat87]

A friend just emailed this to me. Thought some people would be interested in reading it. I think he got it from some message board...
i have heard this before but i thinkits been completely disproven too
im pretty sure nikki leotardo was never on the show, im pretty sure that tony killed the brothas that shot him from before and i dont think those were the same boy scouts

either way it sucked
david chase didnt chose an ending like ke should have, he left it to us which i thought was a bad idea
if i was capable of riting the sopranos i would be rich, i want the writers of the sopranos to decide what i see on the sopranos. and they didnt do that, thats why im dissappointed